Did the CIA Kill John Lennon?

Saturday, December 03, 2005

Q: WHO KILLED JOHN LENNON?  THE CIA OR PERHAPS SOME OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE “DEEP STATE” PROMPT “MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE” MARK DAVID CHAPMAN FROM HAWAII TO THE ASSASSINATION?

This publication reprints a forum discussing the high probability that the CIA caused John Lennon to be assassinated.

Think that’s nuts? Read Fenton Bresler’s “Who Killed John Lennon?” and John Marks’ “The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: the CIA and Mind Control”. The motive? Reagan’s “transition team” was clearing the decks for slaughter in Central America…so, at the very least, let’s set the record straight…

Don’t believe it? Have a look at the evidence:

· Lennon’s murder was never investigated by any legal authority. Despite his lawyers’ urging him to plead insanity, Mark David Chapman refused and pled guilty to murder.
No trial, no investigation.

· The only person to seriously investigate Chapman was British writer Fenton Bresler, who reported his findings in Who Killed John Lennon? (1989, St Martin’s Press, now out of print). Bresler died in 2003.

· Chapman abhorred violence, according to family and friends interviewed by Bresler. He was not a fan of Lennon or the Beatles.

· While a teenager in Decatur, Georgia, Chapman did a lot of LSD, then found Jesus, and devoted his life to working with the YMCA, which, according to Philip Agee (CIA Diary, 1975), was prime recruiting grounds for CIA stations in Latin America. Chapman’s YMCA employment records are missing.

· In June 1975, Chapman volunteered to work in the YMCA office in Beirut, Lebanon, as the civil war erupted.

· Returning to the U.S., Chapman was sent to work with newly-resettled Vietnamese refugees (and CIA assets) in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, run by World Vision, an evangelical organization accused of CIA collaboration in Honduras and El Salvador.

· No one who knew Chapman in Hawaii, in the period before he killed Lennon, considered him psychotic, including mental health clinicians who were treating him for depression at a public clinic.

· Chapman would have been the ideal “programmed assassin”. Did the CIA have this capacity? If not, it was not for want of trying, as shown by former State Department officer John Marks in The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: the CIA and Mind Control (Norton, 1979).

THE CIA KILLED LENNON? COME ON! WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE MOTIVE?

In his book, Bresler only asserts that it was Lennon’s likely re-entry into political life in general — he was about to win U.S. citizenship — that motivated his assassination by some agency of our government. But after a decade of Central America solidarity work I am absolutely convinced that Lennon was a victim of the U.S. government’s counter-revolutionary war in Central America. Remember: Lennon died six days after four U.S. churchwomen were raped and murdered by the U.S.-supported Salvadoran military (nuns Maura Clarke, Ita ford, and Dorothy Kazel, and lay worker Jean Donovan). The mass murder by the military and their allied death squads in El Salvador was just at its exponential upstroke, and the contra war in Nicaragua was just being launched. Reagan had just won the election, not yet taken office, and his “transition team” was at the helm. There can be no doubt that a major item (probably the major item) on their agenda was their war in Central America, and thus there had to be some consideration paid to the management of the domestic opposition, which was already active and getting stronger: after all, they must have foreseen that they were about to massacre several hundred thousand people in our own “backyard” and there would be a predictable resistance (and as is now public knowledge, the Reagan Administration was to infiltrate and subvert CISPES and other solidarity organizations). Lennon would have been seen as the individual with the greatest power – and perhaps, greatest inclination – to galvanize the popular movement (imagine – more to the point, imagine these creeps imagining -what the demonstrations might have looked like had Citizen Lennon helped to popularize the cause). It doesn’t even matter whether or not Lennon had any intention of getting involved at the time of his murder; it was only necessary that the Forces of Darkness felt it was possible Lennon might take up the cause. Why not? If they did it right, Chapman himself would never realize he was being manipulated, so what did they have to lose?

So it’s my contention that the bad guys got away with it, free and clear, and I’d like to see that corrected, if nowhere else then in the popular imagination. Even if there’s not going to be justice, at least it might be possible to put the notion that some agency of our government was responsible for John Lennon’s death on a comparable footing to that of the JFK matter…

Interested? Anyone out there know Oliver Stone – or Sean Lennon?

posted by alan, the initiator of this blog

Posted by alan at 9:52 PM

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Anonymous said…
sounds like a load of crap to me, man!
6:15 PM

Anonymous said…
Desconozco si la CIA asesino a Lennon. Creo que es una lastima que el musico no haya roleado en Mexico.
8:53 PM

Anonymous said…
Got a good laugh out of it! What’s next… John Lennon is really the easter bunny?
10:31 PM

Anonymous said…
At this point everything is possible, especially in those years, when the presidency was headed by a Republican.
2:51 AM

Anonymous said…
I agree with you about the arrogance of the US government against every other country (see vietnam and cuba, as irak now and probably iran soon), but…if you want people to believe what you write in this blog, you have to QUOTE SOURCES, to do literature work, to give evidence! 
even the title, “CIA killed Lennon, or perhaps someone else”, sounds ridiculous! 
I logged in to this blog because I thought to get some new reliable information and I foud just your opinions. With such lack of contents you will never manage to convince bloggers…how can you convince the public opinion?????
4:26 AM

Anonymous said…
Alan, the only think i can do from italy after reading your post is to suggest you to see the following movie: Conspiracy Theory, by Richard Donner with Mel Gibson, Julia Roberts and others. Maybe you could discover, beyond any reasonable doubt, some evident link between the shutting of the door by a woman in new zealand and the decision which brought the judge to sentence to death sacco and vanzetti. It seems there is some link also between these two facts and tornados during last summer in US and Central America. Peace
5:43 AM

Noantri said…
Cheers from Rome, Italy.
I don’t know if you know it, but the most important italian newspaper today pubblished a photo of you: this is the address (paste it): 
javascript:window.open(‘http://www.repubblica.it/flash/gallerie/2005/lennon/index.html’,’lennon’,’width=640,height=550,scrollbars=no’);void(0);

You are in the photo number 10.
Good luck
[Ste]
5:53 AM

Anonymous said…
From Italy.
What you say may be true, but..who knows? Even the mass weapons was a lye! Just an excuse to attack Iraq! Underneath, I see a lot of shit..sorry for who is american nowdays.. yes, CIA,etc.. layers and layers of..shit! and I’m a Woman, and all of this is done by men! What can I say more? I’m just fed up……
8:12 AM

stone said…
Good luck from another italian blogger
8:15 AM

Alec Eiffel said…
If Cia had really killed JL, that would not be a surprise to me. We live in a strange, sometimes very bad, world. This theory is fascinating, but I’d like to read some more about it. Put some quotations next time, pls. Good luck
8:22 AM

8daysawk said…
The writer of this blog makes absolute false and ridiculous statements. All one has to do is look at any or all of the news articles on Chapman written in the days after the murder in your local library. There are pictures of him in Hawaii with comments from those who knew him there, statements by his co-workers in Hawaii, a statement by his wife stating he was a HUGE Beatles fan and a photo of him sitting on the floor listening to Beatles albums! Its easy to make statements like this if one believes no one will check the facts. As for anyone thinking this could be a possibility, what are you smoking? Is it so impossible to think that an individual, by himself, can perceive and execute such a monstrous act? It has to be a conspiracy? Puhleeze. Crazy people inhabit this Earth, thats reality. Not fantasy like this blog. Oh and to the other blogger — the years in which Chapman’s programming would have taken place would have been during President Carter’s administration – a Democrat. Reagan was not sworn in until Jan. 1981.

But I agree, John Lennon could be the Easter Bunny.
1:42 PM

Anonymous said…
I agree with the comment above. Crazy, disassociated people walk this planet everyday. People with a twisted and convoluted view of the world and their course in life. For God’s sake we have people on this Earth who will cut your head off for simply not being the same faith. No conspiracy needed.
1:49 PM

alan said…
I’d like to thank all of you who wrote in to this blog, even those who were negative or dismissive (at least you let it be known what you think). And I’d really like to thank everyone who was supportive, friendly, took a leaflet etc at the Strawberry Fields/Dakota scene yesterday. And you all in Italy. 

As those of you who saw me there know, I was wearing a sandwich sign reading “CIA KILLED LENNON” with the blog’s URL. I just walked around, didn’t impose myself on anybody’s space, held up a leaflet as an offering: wanna read about it? hava leaflet. And pretty regularly, somebody would. Between 9AM and 4:30PM I gave away all 500 leaflets I’d brought. I never saw one on the ground. I didn’t say anything unless someone said something to me first. And they pretty regularly did. And many people agreed with me. I was surprised by the number who said they’d read Bresler’s book also (I think at least 10, maybe 15). Some people laughed at me, and only a handful made ugly noises. The police were fine, some were positively nice and friendly to me. 

Now, about this blog…

To anonymous #5: I started this blog three days ago. I had, and have, no goals to “convince bloggers” that I’m right. I’m not a semi-pro researcher or investigative journalist with a lot of primary-source material to share. I’m just one of the masses, a guy with a full-time-plus job and other responsibilities who happens to have loved Lennon and his music like millions of others, and who happened to have spent ten yours doing Central America solidarity work. So I don’t pretend to be some expert. But what I’ve posted is not just my opinion. The best documentation I offer are the two books I named, Bresler’s “Who Killed John Lennon” and Marks’ “The Search for the Manchurian Candidate”. I’d be happy to quote from them, but that’s not what I really want to spend my time doing. Anyone who’s interested in reading Bresler’s book can find a copy.

Except for this. To 8daysawk: Bresler specifically addresses Chapman’s attitude toward the Beatles and Lennon on pages 89-94 of his book. “Why should a ‘devout fan’ [LA Times, 10 December 1980] have killed his idol? The truth is that, at the time he shot Lennon, Mark was not a particular fan, ‘devout’ or otherwise, of the man he killed.” Bresler goes on to quote from Newton Hendrix, a school friend of Chapman’s and later musical director of the Jefferson Avenue Baptist Church. They sang together in the school choir. “He never expressed strong views on the Beatles or Lennon to me. He played the guitar and may even have written some songs, but it was not Beatles type music. All his feelings, very strong feelings, I might add, toward John Lennon and the Beatles were new to me when I heard of them in 1980. To me he never expressed a dislike or made any comment at all that I can remember.” Bresler cites similar evidence from others, including Louis Souza of the Honolulu police who investigated Chapman’s life in Hawaii until the investigation was called off. And, by the way, I have no doubt that individuals get crazy and kill people all the time, all by themselves, no conspiracy. Are you saying that when someone gets murdered, it’s never a conspiracy? Your critiques do not seriously address the facts I’ve presented – see below.

So I’m not some insider, or somebody with inside information. My only intention is to provide a forum to discuss these points (most of which come from the Bresler book – although I think John Marks’ book does a very much better job with the CIA-mind control story):

• The CIA tried very hard to create a “Manchurian Candidate”, a “programmed assassin”. This is a matter of record. Look up MKULTRA.
• Chapman behaved exactly as you would expect a programmed assassin to behave. Why did he drop the gun and stand there, immobile, waiting to be arrested, rather than beating it? Well, then there would have been an investigation. Why plead guilty rather than plead insane? No trial, no investigation. If they did it right, Chapman didn’t know, and wouldn’t be able to recall, what had happened to him.
• Chapman had been up close to the CIA, certainly at Fort Chaffee in June 1975 and probably in Beirut before that. Bresler identifies his likely CIA handler in his book. If you reject the theory that the CIA turned Chapman into a programmed assassin, then you have to accept that this fact is just a coincidence.
• The U.S. government – those elements of it that do the dirtiest work, in the shadows, always in the shadows – had every reason to want Lennon dead in December 1980. A working knowledge of the Central America wars would tell you that. And I said “CIA or other elements of our permanent government”, anonymous #5, because I don’t, in fact, have inside information and it could have been some other unit, say within DIA. 

If you’re old enough, you know that the wars in Central America were paid virtually no attention by the major media. Compare to Oil War I or II. The biggest NY or DC demos we managed to pull together around Central America were 50,000, tops. Iraq? February 15 2003, there were somewhere between 0.5 and 1 million people in the freezing streets, entirely shutting down the east side of midtown, closing the Queensboro bridge for a while. The last two demos in DC have drawn 250-500,000. Why? For Reagan’s Central America wars, only a tiny dusting of U.S. military were needed in country, 56 advisors publicly known at the peak in El Salvador. The proxy armies were entirely adequate – OK maybe they tortured, raped, murdered civilians, but hey, they’re on our side…This was “low-intensity war” or “low-intensity conflict” in the military-academic literature. Much of this emerged in the Reagan years and has been widely written about. Their job was killing people, including targeted assassinations in country. What makes anyone think something like a national border would stop them?

I just look at the facts above and I think it’s true that Lennon was murdered by person(s) within our government. I don’t know of another forum on the web for discussing this, so I figured I’d launch it in case anyone out there is interested. Maybe somebody who knows of more evidence will fill us all in. But to the skeptics I’d like to say, rather than just blowing it off, why don’t you address the four points above?
11:14 PM

Elwood said…
Let it be known from this day forward, the men behind Johns murder worked full time as Reagans election team. Check out one Max C. Hugel who went on to become D.D.O. of the Reagan/Bush C.I.A. Keep digging Al
2:29 PM

Hanne said…
i don’t know enough to have an informed opinion on who killed JL, but i appreciate your putting the questions out there. i respect your desire to not let this one go alan. if we keep letting the bad guys rewrite history, unchecked; if truth is allowed to be treated like a guantanamo bay inmate, what kind of world are we making for ourselves? how can we put right the wrongs of today if we don’t know what happened yesterday? i’m gonna read those books, and i’m gonna get back to you.
5:11 AM

alan said…
LINKS

www.john-lennon.net
www.joun-lennon.com
http://www.mackwhite.com/lennon.html

These are the sites I’m aware of that seriously address themselves to the CIA killed Lennon hypothesis. The John-Lennon sites (they’re siblings) are rich with information and I encourage everyone interested to check ’em out. As I mentioned, I’m not a semi-pro researcher, and I’d never claim to be an expert. I just want to facilitate exchange about this. The sites above don’t really provide a blog function, so that’s what this is about. If people have other useful ideas, please feel free to share them here.

Thanks for the Max C. Hugel tip, elwood

alan
11:53 PM

Trev Prellie said…
Hi Alan, just checked in to say hi. keep up the good work. ;)
One thing i’ve never heard anyone discuss is how according to Bresler John’s autopsy was carried out without witness by the Chief Medical officer Elliot Gross. I wonder how he’s doing these days.. ELLIOT GROSS

A murder investigation still going on, they cremate the body within the day. beyond belief.

I’ve yet to see anything that properly connects it all to the CIA, but I’m absolutely sure that there are questions need answering.
8daysawk comments about a lack of facts. That’s the whole point isn’t it?… 

NYPD. release the facts please.

•Who was Jose Perdomo? 
•Who was the Elevator man that Cullen/Spiro describe in their report? 
• How did hollow point bullets travel through the body and end up making bullet holes at 90 degrees and up six steps?
• Why was police officer Dana Reeves not investigated after giving Chapman the bullets knowing he was intending them for use in another state where he didn’t have a gun licence? 

Yes, it is all about facts. More importantly this is about our responsibility to ask for those facts. Unfortunately Bresler was the only one to ever get close to the people who were actually there, since his death the real truth may be lost forever.


Trev
12:15 PM

alan said…
Thanks, Trev, and I can’t agree more that there are facts out there which haven’t yet seen the light of day. Short of a deathbed confession or some other turnabout by an inside player, it will take someone(s) with determination, time, resources, and skill to flush out the evidence. I remain utterly convinced by what we have in hand, thanks to Bresler: namely, the improbability of Chapman’s acting on his own; his having without question been in elbow-rubbing proximity to the CIA; and the power of their motive vis-a-vis their war(s) in Central America. 

alan
2:01 PM

Anonymous said…
The Chapman/Reagan/Hinckly/Lennon connections are creepy to say the least. MKUltra 4 sure
2:41 PM

Annoyed Australian said…
Hey Alan,I don’t know all the facts either but I’ve long suspected something fishy,ever since 1980.I have a friend who’s right into the mkultra thing,I’m open and by the way does it matter which side of politics is in when the murky conservative forces that really run everything anyway make a paranoid decision?
4:54 PM

alan said…
Hi there Annoyed,
I agree with you that it doesn’t matter who’s in power, if our hypothesis is correct: that there is some sector (likely to be small, self-contained, “cellular” as it were) buried deep within one of the agencies of the Permanent Government, that carries out “black ops” like this. We know they’ve been involved in assassinations overseas. Why not at home? And if one believes that such a sector was part of the JFK assassination (as many do… personally I’m not a JFK buff, but there it is), well those person(s) have never been brought into the light of public justice and so they’re presumably still around, or their descendants/proteges, right? And yes, we may nver know the real story – about JFK, Martin Luther King, Lennon…


alan
5:28 PM

Anonymous said…
Thank you so much! I was told about World Vision by some CIA/FBI types in Hawaii in the early nineties, they said there was a hypnosis center in Oahu…they were letting me in on something…

Now our hippie food coop is carrying a salsa that gives all of its money to World Vision! Too weird. I’m looking for info to give them because all I had was what those people told me in Hawaii, but I believed them.

Thank you for your blog, I will pass this on to the coop board so they can remove the product, or at least see if the people making it are innocent and will change their donations to a decent nonprof. 

A friend who is a great researcher has mentioned child armies in Africa related to World Vision as well as atroicities in Latin America.
1:09 AM

nowhere man said…
And, anyway, in 1980 Lennon wasn’t involved in political things anymore.
He stopped publishing political albums or songs in 1973. FBI stopped keeping him under control in 1976. His new album, Double Fantasy, was all about family, sean, yoko, cleaning up from drugs etc. The songs he was composing and recording at the time he was killed, published in 1984 in the album Milk And Honey, were all about personal things. In his 1980 interviews he wasn’t making any subversive or strong political statement.
Lennon wasn’t a danger anymore.
There wasn’t really any political motive to kill Lennon in 1980.
12:00 PM

alan said…
in response to nowhere man: Lennon’s level of political activism in 1980 in no way affected his being considered a potential threat by the planners of the Central America wars (let’s call them the Central America War Group, CAWG for short). As it happens, however, Lennon was due to get his citizenship in early 1981; prior to that, his doing anything that could be construed as “political” could have gotten him deported. But after becoming a citizen, well we don’t know what Lennon would have done, of course, but there would have been no more insurmountable legal barrier in front of him. And, as it happens, John and Yoko had tickets to fly to a west coast immigrant workers’ rights rally a week after his assassination.

But my main point is this: it didn’t matter where Lennon’s head was at in December 1980 vis-à-vis political activism. It only mattered that the CAWG knew that as long as he were around, he’d be a potential threat, because he might at any moment have decided to join the Central America antiwar/solidarity movement. Even if he showed no public interest in 1980, the CAWG only needed to believe that Lennon might change (was Lennon capable of change, nowhere man?) and – well, think of how many people would come to DC or Central Park for an antiwar rally with John and Yoko. Our movement never managed more than maybe 50,000 tops with a big coordinated effort. 

I continue to believe that those who find this theory far-fetched were not sufficiently involved in the Central America wars to understand the stakes. The U.S. government wound up murdering (mostly by proxy) over a quarter-million people and displacing over two million, this from a region famously close to our southern border with refugees fleeing into the U.S. to escape Uncle Sam’s violence. Look at Iraq now and multiply the carnage and danger for the CAWG. The people who ran that show are serious war criminals, the kind who will stop at nothing so long as they don’t get caught. You underestimate them, nowhere man.

alan
1:10 PM

Metcalf Hunter said…
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/theusvsjohnlennon/
12:43 PM

nowhere man said…
i think that it simply doesn’t stand up.
he was strongly involved in political issues in ’72 and he was living in new york at the time. they should have killed him then. he did political charged gigs, and attended other political things, published lots of political songs (the whole “Some Time In New York City”). he was strongly anti-vietnam war. but “strangely” he hasn’t been killed then. although he was an important public guy, he couldn’t do miracles. and suddenly he has been killed because he *could* have been against something (central america war or whatever) in the near future (and although probably his influence had diminished since early seventies). it doesn’t make sense. US did lot of disasters all over the world in the last 60 years (starting with nagasaki and hiroshima): i don’t think that “cawg” was more violent than other “groups”.
in these last few years famous singers have made statements against iraq war. they’ve been violently criticized. but they’re still alive. i agree that “certain people we know” are criminal wars. but simply there are no proofs to support the cia theory and even the logical reasoning (“he *could* have do something political…”), as i already wrote, doesn’t stand up. 
i think it’s important to see the things behind the offical truths that media and government commissions give us (for istance, i don’t think it was h.l.o. the 22nd of november in dallas…), but still i don’t see anything solid enough in this matter to think there’s something strange in jl’s killing – i only see assumptions – although i don’t think that “those people” are angels.
still, i don’t think it’s completely ridiculous as somebody wrote.
2:54 PM

alan said…
nowhere man: I respect your skepticism, and I appreciate your engaging around it. I realize that the case is far from proven and you seem like a thoughtful person, and we can agree to disagree. Let me just say this: I remain convinced that the CAWG was/is (Eliot Abrams remains in a position of power, this time Israel/Palestine) fully capable of Lennon’s assassination and far worse. Central America convinced me of that. And what sealed it for me is Fenton Bresler’s evidence about Mark David Chapman and his being known to the CIA. No question about that. So…that’s just a coincidence?? OK, that’s one possibility for sure, but there is this other possibility, one suggested by John Marks in _The Search for the “Manchurian Candidate”_. Until and unless more evidence surfaces, deathbed confessions etc (although I’m not optimistic about that), we’ll just have to consider the evidence we have…and different well-meaning people may arrive at differing conclusions…
1:22 AM

poet/911 said…
Something to think about for sure. With JFK, King, and Bobbi gone, a black veil was dropped onto the American beliefs of peace & love. The Hawks flew supreme and foriegn policy shifted and democracy was taken hostage. Nixon said I am not a crook, as watergate unfolded,…is assissanating a public figure like John Lennon really that hard to believe. A person who can/has influenced millions of minds to activate into fighters for peace & love…There hasn’t been a public figure since, other then Princess Diane who could have opened eyes from such a long hypnotic trance. Technocrats & beaurcrats cannot be trusted. The suits are watching…the invasion of Irag for oil merchants…think again brothers and sisters…there is more then meets the catcher in the rye. Peace & Love. Keep searching & questioning…nothing is real…
9:48 PM

Anonymous said…
Beautiful…

So many events, So many conclusions.
So easy to accept, So many illusions.

As an acceptor of the “top of the pyramid” ‘underworld’ I agree completely with Alan I have never even considered the subject of Lennon but it makes perfect sense along with the other great peace figures. The ‘world government’ (which I would label: CIA, FBI, Delta Force, AMAN … (directors), Vatican Community, Various world bank/FED Swiss/wealthy investors, Mossad, and other deep world political and technical organizations) These groups whether you agree with us or not about Lennon, without question, control major world events. Differences of religious figures, who ultimately amount to the same ‘spirit’ aids in the control factor, and with Jesus spelling it out to everyone that we are all divine and do not need a common overseeing (roman) power, I don’t understand all of this Christianity. So then why would Jesus want to be seen as a god? Because the Romans killed him and made it look like the illusion it still is. (just another conspiracy question) Well, lets just say instead of the Christian government we think we all have, there is a roman solider on the capital building. Im not here to spell anything out for anyone or discriminate in anyway what so ever, never done lsd, Im not even 23, I have a BS in ME with a minor in PH, but dont take it from me, but, the theory of relativity, although not complete suggest that nothing is real. There is no heaven, no hell, death is merely a stage in our journey through consciousness. So with nothing to worry about, get over being a poser patriot and search for the real truth. Because what is meaning, without truth?

Sorry to get off subject, some may label me as a hyperpluristic crazy mon, but eh, Im trying to see the big picture, not my 27″ tube.

Peace, Love, Harmony of Existence

-Z
1:32 AM

Anonymous said…
hi. 
i do not have a blogspot yet. but soon will. i COMPLETELY Agree. this has been one of my theories for years. i’m glad to hear that finally some truth had been put on on what really happened to Lennon. 
if you’d like to discuss anything.
(singtheblues91@yahoo.com)
email me.

peace.
-tyler
4:17 PM

Anonymous said…
I have NO DOUBT THAT the CIA or TRICKY Richard Nixon HAD a LOT to do with Johns death. I know that THEY put Chapman to it!!! AND you will NOT BE LAUGHING SOMEDAY…because….John was the second coming….of our Lord, his matter of factness was to warn us of what is to come if we do not accomplish PEACE soon. The Evil in this world cut him down for our sins. We are left here wondering what he would have taught us today, WE have his words…like those of his Lord, Jesus to remind us of the right way. I truly believe this. May he bless our souls. WHAT DO YA THINK ABOUT THAT ? !!!!!!!!! john fan since 58′
11:58 PM

Anonymous said…
GOTTA LOVE THAT John Lennon !! ALWAYS! & I MEAN ALWAYS….MAKING..PEOPLE…..THINK !
12:10 AM

Anonymous said…
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6:46 AM

hapa said…
“IT IS DANGEROUS TO BE RIGHT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS WRONG”? VOLTAIRE

FACTS FROM “WHO KILLED JOHN LENNON” BY FENTON BRESLER, LINKED TO “DISAVOWED: A CIA SAGA OF BETRAYAL” BY RODNEY STICH, LINKED TO “LAND AND POWER IN HAWAII” UNDER ORGANIZED CRIME, BY COOPER & DAWS:

*THE CIA FREQUENTLY USED THE YMCA AS COVER AND RECRUITING ORGAN. CHAPMAN WAS INVOLVED WITH THE “Y” FOR SIX YEARS.
*BOTH THE FBI {HOOVER} AND CIA {HELMSLEY, COLBY, GEORGE H. BUSH, AND WILLIAM CASEY} MAINTAINED MASSIVE SECRET FILES ON LENNON.
*THE BULLETS FIRED FROM CHAPMAN’S .38 SPECIAL WERE MILITARY PROFESSIONAL DUM-DUM DEADLY BULLETS AIMED WITH TIGHT GROUPING.
*LENNON’S DRUG BUST ALLEGATION IN ENGLAND WERE BEING USED TO DEPORT LENNON BY THE INS {U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON} UNDER THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION JUSTIFIED BY TOP SECRET SURVELILLANCES UNDER “NATIONAL SECURITY”.
*CHAPMAN WAS NEITHER THE DERANGED LONER NOR THE BEATLE FAN THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT P.R. CLAIMED HE WAS.
*CHAPMAN’S YMCA RECORDS AFTER 6 YEARS OF AFFLIATION IS MISSING FROM YMCA RECORDS.
*CHAPMAN SPENT TIME IN THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE AREA OF SE ASIA, BEIRUT, AND LATER GENEVA SWITZERLAND {DAVID MOORE} UNDER THE WORLD VISIONARY MINISTRIES, AFFLIATED TO THE YMCA AND NUMEROUS CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS IN HAWAII {NEW HOPE CHURCH IN KANEOHE, HAWAII}.
*CHAPMAN’S MISSING THREE DAYS SPENT ENROUTE BETWEEN HAWAII AND N.Y. IS INCOMPLETE.
*CHAPMAN DIDN’T TRY TO ESCAPE THE CRIME SCENE AND WAS REPORTED IN A PROGRAMMED TRANCE WITH HIS TRIGGER BOOK, THE CATCHER IN THE RYE.
*DESPITE HIS MENTAL INSTANITY PLEA IGNORED FOR PLEADING GUILTY, CHAPMAN SPENDS TIME SECLUDED IN ATTICA PRISON INSTEAD OF MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.
*DESPITE HIS PAST HISTORY FOR DRUG AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE, SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, AND UNSTABLE, CONFRONTATIONAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORY, CHAPMAN WAS HIRED BY A VAGUE HAWAII SECURITY AGENCY WHICH MAY BE AFFLIATED TO THE CIA FRONT WITH WACKENHUT OR THE SYNDICATED HAWAII PROTECTIVE AGENCY LINKED TO ORGANIZED CRIME, TO CARRY A GUN WHILE ON DUTY?
*CHAPMAN’S BIZZARE AND UNORTHODOX BEHAVIOR CAN BE DIAGNOISED AS BPD {BORDERLINE PESONALITY DISORDER} BORDERING ON A DYSFUNCTIONAL CHILDHOOD {ABUSED CHILDREN LIVING EMOTIONALLY IN A ADULT’S WORLD} AND MANIC DEPRESSION {HIGHS – CHARMING AND ALURING TO IMMEDIATE LOW SELF ESTEEM DUE TO CHEMICAL INBALANCE} WHICH WAS RECENTLY AND OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED IN 1988 BY THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MENTAL HEALTH JOURNALS. {FAMOUS PEOPLE WITH BPD – MARILYN MONROE, ADOLF HITLER, DREW BARRYMORE}.
*SHORTLY AFTER LENNON’S ASSASSINATION, REAGAN’S LIFE IS ATTEMPTED BY ANOTHER “NUT CASE” WITH DOCUMENTED MENTAL HISTORY PROBLEMS, JOHN HINKLEY, WHO REPUBLICAN FATHER IS ASSOCIATED TO THE WORLD VISIONARY CHURCH AND OIL INTERESTS WITH VANGUARD INDUSTRIES.
*SHORTLY AFTER THESE DOCUMENTED HISTORICAL EVENTS, THE IRAN- CONTRA SCANDAL IS EXPOSED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME FRAME IN 1983 FOR THE HAWAIIAN CIA OPERATION BEING SUPPRESSED AND EXPOSED DOCUMENTED UNDER THE BOOK: “DISAVOWED.” THE CIA SCAPEGOAT AND COVER UP IS FOUND UNDER “FLYING HIGH WITH THE CIA” UNDER THE CATBIRD SEAT WEBSITE AND BOBBY HARMON’S CLAIMS IN COLLUSION WITH THE PUNA CONNECTION.
*WHO KILLED JOHN LENNON? ALL FACTS AND DOCUMENTS POINT TO FORMER CIA DIRECTORS GEORGE H. BUSH, WILLIAM CASEY, AND WILLIAM COLBY {PHOENIX PROGRAM}, ALL INVOLVED IN THE MIA-POW ISSUES IN THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE AFTER THE BITTER FALL OF SAIGON IN 1975. FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, ROSS PEROT, WORKING WITH ROGUE SOLDIER OF FORTUNE, BO GRITZ, WHICH HAS BEEN LINKED TO THE HAWAIIAN CONNECTIONS WITH ROGUE FORMER VIETNAM GENERAL, RICHARD SECORD, AND ROGUE EX-VIETNAM PATRIOTS, ROBERT BROWN {BOULDER, COLORADO}, BARRY SEAL {AIR AMERICA}, SCOTT BARNES {BOHICA}, AND ROBERT GATES, THE PRESENT CIA DIRECTOR UNDER BUSH JR. THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE IRAN – CONTRA “INVESTIGATION” AND POLITICAL COVER UPS IN 1987 WAS FORMER WAR HERO AND HAWAII U.S. SENATOR DANIEL INOUYE AND LATER FORMER U.S. SENATOR JOHN TOWER INVESTIGATING THE POW-MIA ISSUES FROM TEXAS. WILLIAM CASEY DIES TWO DAYS BEFORE TESTIFYING IN CONGRESS IN 1987. JOHN TOWER LATER DIES IN A PLANE CRASH WITH HIS FAMILY MEMBERS. WILLIAM COLBY, THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR AND RUGGED COVERT OPEATION DIRECTOR IN VIETNAM, DIES IN A MYSTERIOUS MIDNIGHT CANOE RIDE IN MARYLAND PRIOR TO TESTIFYING IN TEXAS ABOUT THE MISSING POW-MIA ISSUES. BARRY SEAL, THE ROGUE GOVERNMENT AGENT, IS ASSASSINATED IN NEW ORLEANS BY DRUG DEALERS LINKED TO THE COVERT OPERATIONS IN MENA ARKANSAS AND THE IRAN – CONTRA OPERATIONS. COL. V.K. DURHAM, A FORMER MILITARY AND CIA COVERT AGENT WITH KNOWLEDGE TO NUMEROUS CIA ACCOUNTS, DIES UNDER MYSTERIOUS TORTURE CIRCUMSTANCES IN A VA HOSPITAL. RONALD REWALD, THE HAWAII CIA SCAPEGOAT IS SENT TO PRISON FOR 80 YEARS IN A KANGAROO COURT HEARING {SEE FORMER ATTORNEY MELVIN BELLI’S ALLEGATIONS} AND IS LATER PROSECUTED BY KENNETH STARR IN REWALDS 1990 COURT OF APPEALS. KEN STARR LATER SPENDS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY BY PROSECUTING THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION UNDER WHITEWATER AND LATER THE LEWINSKY AFFAIR WITH NO CONCLUSIONS. REWALD IS RELEASED FROM PRISON AFTER THE HAWAII FEDERAL JUDGE, HAROLD FONG, DIES IN 1995. MARK DAVID CHAPMAN, NOW DECLARES HIMSELF SANE AND PROCLAIMS THAT JOHN LENNON WOULD WANT HIM SET FREE IN HIS PAROLE HEARING, WHICH WAS COUNTERED BY LENNON’S WIDOW, SON, FAMILY, AND FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD. LENNON’S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WERE ILLEGALLY REGULATED, MANIPULATED, AND CONTROLLED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, INCLUENCED BY MELVIN BELLI’S ALLEGATIONS, IN COLLUSION WITH: THE CIA, THE FBI, NSA, INS, AND THEIR UNSTABLE MENTAL HEALTH MANCHUARIAN CANDIDATED, MARK DAVID CHAPMAN, {“JUST DO IT, DO IT, DO IT”} MARRIED TO ANOTHER JAPANESE NATIONAL, UNKNOWINGLY LINKED TO THE “OCTOPUS’ TENACLES” AND “VULTURES IN PARADISE” CIRCUMVENTING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION WITH THE BROKEN TRUST LEGACY {KING AND ROTH}, IN THE REMOTE SOUTH PACIFIC WITHIN THE DIVERSIFIED ALOHA STATE, BANANA REPUBLIC, OR KINGDOM OF HAWAII.

IMAGINE: “ALOHA MAI MO. ALOHA AKU” {WHERE LOVE IS GIVEN, LOVE SHOULD BE RETURNED}……CONFLICTING HEAVILY WITH: “KAPU”….PRIVATE HAWAIIAN RESERVES….PUBLIC KEEP OUT?

”IN TIMES OF UNIVERSAL DECEIT, TELLING THE TRUTH WILL BE A REVOLUTIONARY ACT” GEORGE ORWELL
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Cal Northern said…
Killing John Lennon certainly had the affect of permanently silencing a potentially problematic voice, from the perspective of certain interests, but it doesn’t appear to be the primary purpose of the action.

The shooting of John Lennon rather appears in many ways to have been a live rehearsal exercise. These are often preformed in preparation for a much more risky and high profile attack.

Only a few months later, a very similar shooting took place at the Washington DC Hilton, when John Hinkley Jr. began firing a pistol at President Ronald Reagan. Reagan was hit, and had he died from his wound, former CIA head and criminally connected oilman George H.W. Bush would have succeeded him as president.

Visit:
http://intellibits.blogspot.com/2007/07/john-lennon-murder-case.html

Add any comments you feel are relevant.
12:58 PM

Anonymous said…
Por supuesto que la cia mato a John Lennon ya que tenia un poder de convocatoria inmenso. Lennon forever! Saludos desde Mexico.
3:57 PM

Adrian said…
“Anybody who thinks that Mark Chapman was just some crazy guy who killed my dad for his personal interests is insane, I think, or very naive.” – Sean Lennon, 1998, The New Yorker

Alan – good luck with this. 

There’s an institutional hostility to ‘conspiracy theory’, unfortunately. The very term is loaded to discredit anybody who dares to question the official version. 

Those who have left negative comments on your blog follow a depressingly familiar pattern; they will ridicule, smear, and plant discrediting information of their own. They will not address the mountain of evidence presented by somebody like Alex Constantine in his book The Covert War Against Rock. 

There is much about Lennon’s assassination that has not been adequately explained by the authorities entrusted with the job.

Personally, I believe you are right to pursue the MKULTRA angle. First of all, the circumstantial evidence pointing to a programmed assassination is provocative to say the least. The connections between Chapman, World Vision, the Hinckley Family, the CIA, and members of the Reagan-Bush administration are too numerous and too bizarre to conform to even the most super-attenuated of coincidences. 

Secondly, MKULTRA is provable. It’s on the record. And its public revelation so frightened the architects and supporters of MKULTRA and related programs that Richard Helms was moved to order the destruction of all files as the Church Committee hearings loomed in the ’70s. What wasn’t destroyed formed the basis of the Marks book. We can only imagine how much worse for the victims – and ‘successful’ for its patrons – MKULTRA really was, or is.

Equally, Bill Clinton was pressured into issuing a formal apology to survivors of the CIA’s mind control programs, while the Canadian government has paid reparations to victims of MKULTRA who underwent atrocious experiments at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal; experiments that were financed and overseen by the CIA.

None of this is ‘conspiracy theory’.

To the ‘anonymous’ crowd who weighed in so early here with their ridicule and scorn; I expect no amount of reason will persuade you to look a little deeper into things, and I understand your hostility – it makes for an easier life, believe me, to accept the explanations we are given by authority. To anybody else, Alan is providing a brave and necessary opportunity to peak behind the curtain.
6:53 PM

alan said…
Thanks to Adrian for the supportive message and the additional information. There is a throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater tone in much of the objections to “conspiracy theories” in general, and certainly to that surrounding John Lennon’s assassination. Those who reject this possibility out of hand are asserting that it was just a coincidence that Mark David Chapman just happened to be in Beirut at the start of their civil war, and that his next stop just happened to be in a CIA-run refugee camp for Vietnamese assets, that he just happened to be handed the hollow-point slugs that took John from us by a Georgia state law enforcement officer who had a long association with him…and oh, yeah, that MKULTRA really wasn’t a serious attempt to produce a programmed assassin. Fenton Bresler laid out the case for us pretty clearly, but the missing piece in his book was the motive. I think Bresler wasn’t aware of the ferocious nature of the violence unleashed by Uncle Sam’s agents on the people of Central America in the 1980s, but those of us who saw it close-up know all too well what these people were/are capable of, and how much they got away with. We are talking about people who are professional managers of assassination and mass murder. Much of this history is known and documented. Certainly, much of it is not…yet.
12:08 PM

xTeKWaReZ said…
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10:14 PM

Anonymous said…
Well, if it wasn’t a programmed assassination it sure has worked out well for the current administration.
Politics is a chess game.
12:34 PM

Anonymous said…
This is ridiculous. How is this page even still up?
1:32 AM

Delfi said…
(First i’d like to apologise for any spelling mistakes, I’m from Argentina..) I completely agree with this theory. But you didn’t mention the most important fact: John was free. He thought for himself, he wanted people to think for themselves and be free, he knew that knowledge makes freedom posible… And that is the reason why they had to kill him.. It’s very dangerous to have someone as free and intelligent as Lennon thinking for himself and influencing so many people… It sounds terrible but it’s true
1:41 AM

alan said…
Thanks to Delfi for that (and no apologies needed). I certainly agree about John’s being a freethinker, but the point is that it was the United Snakes’ govt./CIA’s counterrevolutionary project in Central America that motivated them at that specific moment to kill John Lennon. Personally I believe they respond in a cold and precisely calculated manner to perceived, specific threats.
10:12 AM

Anonymous said…
I love the folks who disbelieve like it could never happen. Sure our govt. would never kill anybody, never. What a joke.
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Anonymous said…
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Cheers everyone
10:39 PM

the moods said…
so we wrote a song about johns murder by the C.I.A
the C.I.A they left john lennon dead
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12:12 PM

Anonymous said…
nowhere man……obviously its all about the right timing and circumstance, you dumbass.

You think it wouldnt have been a tad obvious who killed him if they did it when you said they should have?

Pull your head out of your ass, I bet your an american christian, no?
11:22 AM

Anonymous said…
IMAGINE – just listen to the song.

It is EVERYTHING the American government is not.

I never had an inkling about john being assasinated by the american government until the other night, as I was listening to the song, I mean really listening, It HIT ME.

So I typed it in, and voila.

The american government needs to be taken down, that means we have to no longer give them the power they have over us.

People and governments can only control you, if you let them, think about it.

Conformaty is saying, “I have no brain of my own, no spirit, I’ll just do what I’m told and because everyone else is doing it, it must be right”

It’s not just nowhere man, we all need to pull our heads out !!!

Starting NOW!
11:28 AM

Anonymous said…
To the last two comments… I really couldn’t have put it better.

You’ll never be forgotten John, we know the truth and we’ll see you again one day.
11:31 AM

alan said…
to 11:22AM anonymous:
No I’m not a christian, never have been (born and raised Jewish, atheist by choice).
I don’t really follow your logic. They *did* do it when I said they should have, and no one then or since has blinked — so clearly they didn’t have to worry about being “obvious” – hell just look at the comments on this blog – most people think it’s nuts. To those of us who know what Uncle Sam did to Central America, Lennon’s assassination is, in retrospect, no surprise. Chapman was at a CIA-run camp for Vietnamese assets freshly evacuated from their crumbling puppet state in the summer of 1975. This is not in dispute There are photos in Bresler’s book. If you think that’s a coincidence, I’d suggest maybe it’s your own head that’s stuck where the sun don’t shine.
1:13 PM

Anonymous said…
Poor Alan, lol if you read Anonymous’ comments more closely, I think he’as agreeing with you and disagreeing with NOWHERE MAN’S comments?

Perhaps you want to scroll up to see what nowhere man’s comments are.

LOL, a bit early in the morning for you Al ?

Good Work though buddy =)
1:56 AM

Anonymous said…
It’s herendous what they did to John, but believe me, trust me when I say this….

He is in a far better place now, like Jesus I imagine, the death of one would have benefitted so many (sounds bad I know) but he came here, did what he was supposed to and know he’s back home, where we will all be, one day.

His message of Unconditional Love, Unity, Oneness and Acceptance is what we should be practicing so he did not die in vain, although this would never be the case, but you get my drift.

He would not want us to get caught up in the who done it, how bad they were and so on, in reality, I mean real reality there is no good or bad, there just is. It’s all energy and without the duality of Bad and good there could be niether.

I hope all of you who read this can connect with what I’m saying although maybe your not at the point of understanding what I’m saying, subconciously you will know what I’m saying is true.

I hope to live by example as this is the most powerful message, and teaching one can put across, if you do the same you will rub off of those around you and thus be doing your bit for us all – reunity.

Love to you all, even the hagglers, even the corrupt, fucked in the head politicians =)

Faber
1:11 PM

Anonymous said…
Sorry dudes, conspiracies never hold up due to:

1. One has to ignore 1000’s of pieces of other evidence, and,
2. the number of people that would have had to have been involved makes it impractical.

#2 is what usually undermines the mafia. Someone usually squeals.

Furthermore, there are more creative ways of getting rid of people. Hell it was New York of all places, the CIA or whoever could have made it look like a mugging/robbery gone bad. Lennon, allegedly was doing drugs at the time – make it look like a drug overdose. Point is: if the gov/cia can program assassians, certainly they have the means and technology to make it “untraceable” or make it appear as something else all together.

Every once in a while an idiot makes history and gets lucky.

Now then, I’m going to get back to reading the Catcher in the Rye. After that, I’m going to watch Taxi Driver. Then I may go hand out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets.
12:48 AM

alan said…
To Faber: 
Well, thanks for the gentle message, but you’re talking to an atheist if you’re talking to me. I sure agree that John’s message (or messages) is (are) what we should be practicing. “Died in vain” is a phrase with little meaning for me. His death was a tragic loss for the world, whether considered in vain or not. Yes he did plenty while here with us, but could have continued to do if he had lived (like, make more music that people, like me, love). As for John: “imagine there’s no heaven…” Nuff said. No, one further note: if I’m right and John was snuffed out by savage warmongering counterrevolutionaries in service to Empire…then I would contend that, you betcha, John would want us to pursue the matter.

And to the latest Anonymous: discarding any particular “conspiracy theory” with a swipe at *all* conspiracy theories is a nonstarter, a dismissal, and not a serious response to the evidence. I’ve cited the evidence that led me to the conclusion that John was assassinated by the CIA or some comparable cell within the Permanent Government. I actually agree with you that conspiracy theories that depend on the involvement of large numbers of people are unlikely — but we are talking about a potentially small cell here. Read about MK-ULTRA. The reason they used the method of the programmed assassin was that they had been developing it for years and had it ready. Your statement that “if the gov/cia can program assassians, certainly they have the means and technology to make it ‘untraceable’ or make it appear as something else all together” is exactly the point – Chapman’s being a programmed assassin has been untraceable to date. The beauty of this technique is that if it works, the assassin has no idea why he’s just done what he did. Chapman heard voices in his head. Easily read as paranoid schizophrenia, right? But in fact he was seen by mental health clinicians in Hawaii and judged to be depressed, but not paranoid, psychotic, or delusional. He stands and waits to be captured by the police, so they have their guy, and he’s a “lone nut”, right? Proof’s in the pudding that it worked exactly as you described. And tell me: *where* are the “1000s of pieces of other evidence” to which you refer? Please show us one. Thus far, I’ve seen nothing that contradicts the thesis that Chapman was a controlled programmed assassin sent on his mission to advance the incoming Reagan administration’s war plans for Central America.
5:17 PM

Julia said…
I’m curious, where did you get some of this info from? Like the YMCA records, did you find that in a book or check for yourself (if not, I think you really should because it’d be very very interesting!)

Anyway thanks for the link, if all this is true then it’s even sadder…

-J
6:57 PM

alan said…
Hi Julia,

Thanks for your interest. The material about the YMCA comes from Fenton Bresler’s book _Who Killed John Lennon?_ The evidence that the YMCA has been worked like a farm by the CIA comes from Philip Agee’s _CIA Diary_. No, I haven’t done the primary research myself – everything I’ve put up here is from secondary sources. I’ll be putting up some more of this material soon. I came to it from my love for Lennon (the music, the human); my experience doing Central America solidarity work (that *was* first-hand evidence that the people pursuing the wars were capable of anything); and the realization of the evidence about Chapman that came with my first reading of Bresler’s book. It has continued with the advent of the Web (yes I got started before there was an Internet): Chapman-YMCA-Beirut-Fort Chaffee-CIA mind-control history. It falls into place.
3:47 PM

Anonymous said…
well, if you read my blog, at www.josieg6.wordpress.com, you will see taht this ordinary housewife has had a helluva year….
and, subject to everyone laughing, and treating me like a mental case, I will say that I have experienced psychic phenomena in my life, and no longer question it, so I had no problem going to a PSy for a reading…
and I thought he was crap, becuase he kept telling me all he could get was ‘John Lennon’ and he kept telling me to ‘let it be’ in my situation. So do I think after waht I have been thru that the CIA/US Govt will go to any lengths to silence someone they dont like, my answer is ABSOLUTELY YES. This may be my epitaph, but I would prefer not to be that important that they might expense my murder to shut me up. As they did John Lennon perhaps…I dont know. I didnt see it happen.
7:33 AM

Anonymous said…
I have also been highly critical of Julie L. Myers, who was a Bush relative given teh job in charge of immigration in 2007, and responsible for the deaths of many would-be immigrants like myself, who had simply applied for their green cards….its all on www.josieg6.wordpress.com
Personally, until I was dumped at the airport in this country, I was completely unaware of all of this stuff, until I was thrown headlong into it…..and I have actually been told verbaly not to engage in Free-speech, I was even arrested in the UK and the warrant was for ‘literature related to america’ – makes no sense at all. Unless, you read the above and start to think that there is some truth to the conspiracy theorists….
Perhaps it is just a cabal of power with the republicans and bush, cheney etc….
people have died for so much less.
People were accused found guilty and hanged in Africa so Shell Oil could get on with raping the land….and just now are paying compensation….
AND THAT COULD BE ANY OF US IF WE SPEAK OUT ON SOMETHING WE FEEL IS UNFAIR>
teh psychic told me to trust my instincts, and I would be ok. I hve had two different men from MI5 contact me, one of whom was having a nervous breakdown becuase of teh corruption he was asked to work within daily…..
I truly was just a housewife, who went salsa dancing..
now I dont know where I fit, except as an object of ridicule for those that wish to discredit anything I say I have seen. and when I say I saw something, it means I saw it with my own eyes, in reality, not a psychic vision..
I used to post those on the web, and used to be suprised when they were deleted!! 
for some reason I got tons of dreams about arabs, desert, canisters of toxic waste etc, bombs, missiles, highways in Africa, (C14? ) which is apparentlyused to move nukes around or something….anyhow, with these crazy dreams, I would post them, and they would sometimes dissapear, and then…

then I was dragged away as an ‘illegal alien’ after 20 years of being legal in America!!
www.josieg6.wordpress.com

I dont play up the psychic angle cos I dont believe it til it happens then it is too late anyhow…
and I wouldnt beelive what I wrote in my blog, unless i had seen it all with my own eyes.
7:43 AM

lunamoth said…
You’re on the right track when you bring in Dr. Cameron and the MKULTRA mind control program which operated between 1953 and 1964 and was Air Force sponsored. Chapman was an Air Force brat and during the years he was growing up many AF parents volunteered their children for experiments which often included drugs, electroshock, hypnosis, assassin training, photographic memory training, etc. Some of those children were later chosen for missions. Based on my reading of the literature on MKULTRA, it is obvious Chapman perfectly fits the profile of one of these children. Note his inclusion of a photo of Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz — and then read about MKULTRA “Wizard of Oz” programming. Also, I think there is something to theory that Stephen King was actually the “autograph hound” who stopped Lennon on his way out of the Dakota on his way to his final photo shoot with Annie Liebowicz.
Annie Liebowicz was also the child of an Air Force officer (see the recent documentary about her). I suspect she, King and others were unwitting participants in a massively orchestrated assassination plot. 

Congratulations on bringing up Naomi Klein’s SHOCK DOCTRINE.
I believe, like 9-11, it was organized at the highest levels, and meticulously planned as a “psy op” designed to shock, awe and disable opposition to the Reagan administration.

The Iran hostage drama was also going on at that time — and I think there was a Zionist element that wanted Lennon out of the way.

Keep going. You’re on the right track. And most of the anonymous posters who ridicule your thinking are likely paid to be here.
9:49 AM

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10:50 PM

bookfisher said…
Of course some element or elements of the government killed Lennon. I’ve know it for the past 28 years, ever since February, 1981 when I started investigating the facts, and the facts are: Here was a man who was 40 years old and worth about 250 million dollars in 1980. He no longer was the immature 30 year old who was doing bed-ins and hanging War Is Over signs like 1970. He was a mature 40year old with much money and power, who was “starting over.” Here was a man who told Andy Peeples of the BBC in an interview a few days before his death, that in reference to the future, “he has many plans and ideas,” and was going to get political again. Here was a man who had a track record as an enemy of the right wing Nixon/Reagan wing of the government, who was bugged and tailed by the FBI, who had to fight in court to remain in this county, who in fact won that right in 1976, and would have been a full-fledged American citizen in 1983 (Senator or Governor Lennon prehaps?). Here was a man, who was starting over again, and would have led loud and vocal demonstrations and protests against Reagan in Central America. As long as Lennon remained a house husband for five years (1975-1980) that nefarious wing of our government had nothing to fear from him, but once he stated his intentions of starting over, this group had to silence him. Look, if it was Paul McCartney or Mick Jagger who was shot and killed, then I would believe it was just some nut from Hawaii acting alone. By this was John Lennon, the guy who started the Beatles and changed a generation! And he was now coming back on the scene, older, wiser, and RICHER, and ready to get down to some serious business. Unfortunately, rogue elements of our government could not afford to have him standing in their way, and he had to be silenced
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riccardo uccheddu said…
From Cagliari, Italy.
Thanks Alan for your work.
I want to REALLY tank you, because I think this: maybe your argumentations are not conclusives; anyway, are VERY reasonables.
Some “simple” facts: 48 hours before his murder, J. Lennon in a interview with Andy Peebles (a Bbc’s journalist) polemized with Maggie Thatcher and with the churh too (“The John Lennon Tapes, Copyright 1981 BBC Pubblications London).
The Jon Wiener book “Gimme some truth. John Lennon FBI Files.”
This is a demonstration of the U.S. fear government about J. Lennon.
In fact, it’s reasonable to believe that a man who fighted for the peace and the justice in past, don’ t keep his fight in future too?
If we know the nature of the power, not only in the States but in EVERY country, we can to say with much reasonableness that a man who oppose to the power, is destined to death.
To say this is a simple question of REALISM; to deny, it mean don’t know the HISTORY.
The real killer of J.L. was the Cia or the U.S. government?
I don’t know; but to me, it’s very hard to consider them completely extraneous to this crime.
Excuse me for my english, Alan.
Good luck!
5:16 AM

alan said…
Note to Ricardo:
Thanks for your supportive comment. You’re right, this argument is not conclusive, but I’m convinced it’s accurate. As to who did it…I’ll have more to say about that in an upcoming post, but it seems clear that some elements within the CIA have comprised an “assassination team” (or teams) that has spun their handiwork over several decades.
11:40 AM

riccardo uccheddu said…
I’m agree, Alan.
In fact, (I want to repeat my words)for me your argumentations are VERY reasonables.
I don’t polemized with you, ok?
Another thing, for me very important: I’m besides agree with you about the question “assassination team (or teams) that has spun their handiwork over several decades.”
In fact, I want to add this: another J. Lennon’s enemy was the MI5; it’s possibile a Cia-MI5 connection and a “travail d’èquipe.”
It’s important don’t forget one fact: for the 1981 was foreseen a world tour and Lennon wanted to play in England too (“Il vero John Lennon”, di Riccardo Russino, www.jamonline.it).
England was under the Thatcher, in this time: she was a great enemy of the workers, liberals, artists, pacifists etc.
In the ‘80’s the “iron lady” to defeat the UK miners on strike, well, she’ll apply dirty systems (Seamus Milne, “The enemy within”, Verso, London, 1994). Dirty systems like the MI5 too…
The matter is this, to me: a great man like J. Lennon haved many enemies; anyway, all them “played” in the same team and played the same “game”…
Unfortunately, my english is scanty, bad; anyway, I think on the principal things we’re agreed.
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alan said…
Ricardo, I do appreciate your post and yes, we are in agreement. Thank you for your support, and don’t apologize for your English – it is clear what you are saying (and so many of us Americans can’t speak a word of any other language, so good for you!). And yes, John Lennon must have had many enemies. My focus on Central America has to do with the timing of his assassination, and the fact that the escalation of their wars in Central America – especially El Salvador and Nicaragua – was just getting underway when he was assassinated. We know for a fact that other assassinations were carried out in-country (e.g. within Nicaragua) as a matter of routine, so taking out a potential threat on the domestic front would have been Standard Operating Procedure for them – “them” in this case being that part of the CIA tasked with assassination, perhaps unknown even to the rest of the Company, which of course operates on a “need-to-know” basis. Thanks again for your interest and support. The Italian people have certainly stood up as passionate supporters of John Lennon and all he worked for…
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alan said…
Sorry for my being out of the flow of these exchanges. Let me say thanks to Exiles800 – your points are right on the money. “You have to understand the forces that do things like this are so evil…” You couldn’t be more right. What these people wrought in Central America beggars the imagination. While most of the U.S. public were unawares (the press was busy taking dictation from Reagan’s handlers), death squads in El Salvador (contras in Nicaragua, military in Guatemala) slaughtered unarmed campesinos, workers, students, nuns, priests in the hundreds of thousands. They were trained, funded, managed by the same crew responsible for Lennon’s assassination. I must say, when I first encountered Fenton Bresler’s book and was struck by the Central America connection, I tried to focus on this particular assassination, since there seemed to me to be plenty of attention paid to JFK, RFK, MLK, etc and it appeared there was little going around about Lennon — and I loved John Lennon. I searched the Web and found very little – Mae Brussell, Mack White, Fenton Bresler and precious few others. I wanted people to consider the facts without feeling like they had to take on the whole superstructure of assassination theory in modern Amerika. Well, as Exiles800 reminds us, this isn’t really possible. Case in point: the movie _RFK Must Die_. Anyone interested in the facts, and specifically the credibility of creating “programmed assassins”, should see it. And pay attention to the extensive footage of Herbert Spiegel, a New York psychiatrist on the Columbia faculty for 40 years and, according to his obit in the NY Times (he died at age 95 two months ago – http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/health/10spiegel.html), “far and away the country’s most visible and persuasive advocate for therapeutic hypnosis, having established it as a mainstream medical technique.” He wrote the standard textbook in the field. Turns out that Spiegel was utterly convinced that Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotically programmed to shoot RFK, no question in his mind about it. If one is highly suggestible — maybe 5% of the population, according to Spiegel — you, in fact, *can* make them do things under hypnotic influence (maybe along with some drugs, etc) they would not do otherwise, including murder.

So there it is. Substitute Chapman for Sirhan, add in the curious facts of Chapman’s life (his being in close quarters with the CIA, the doctored plane ticket, his behavior after the assassination) then add the motive and shake, stir, whatever you want. The CIA killed Lennon. And who knows how many others. And the people who did it are likely still around…
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The best way to deal with these creeps is sunlight. We need to expose this any way we can since the American media has been fatally corrupted.


”The government wouldn’t kill John Lennon the Beatle?”

- Yes, they would, and did.
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alan said…
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Exiles800 said…
I forgot to mention that the symbolic children in the field of rye in ‘Catcher In The Rye’ takes place in a dreamscape. This is part of the wicked artfulness of the hypnosis in that it also takes place in an unconscious dreamscape. So you see the point I’m getting at is ‘Catcher’ is almost enigmatic in its use on many levels, including being a ready psychological framework by which to mentally condition Chapman but also as the perfect script for sending a subliminal message and justification by the killers. What more beautifully evil type of warfare than to fight Lennon’s dream with CIA’s murderous MKULTRA ‘dream’. Pure evil in its perfection. All almost magically embodied in the evil ‘Catcher In The Rye’ MKULTRA bible. 

Lennon was a symbol of the peace efforts of the 60’s. He understood and embodied the gains of the 60’s rock and cultural revolution and tried to make progress out of what was learned and gained from that movement. I think he understood his image and tried to use it to create progress in man directly based on peace – which was something not generally available in mainstream institutions. People who practice war see people of peace as enemies. It’s not surprising this happened.
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Exiles800 said…
Q: Why didn’t Chapman shoot Lennon at 5pm if he was programmed?


A: Because Chapman was distracted by the two women fans he had befriended as well as the photographer Goresh. The people who do such mind control are very smart. They are not going to create a staring zombie with his arms extended forward. The type of programming responsible is unconscious. If you use the analogy of the hypnotized part of Chapman being from his waist down then his upper part was busy at 5pm. You have to think of the conscious Chapman as being a normal guy who was overwhelmed by meeting John Lennon in person and having his album signed. When he was surrounded by other people and Lennon it distracted the conscious Chapman from the unconscious controlling sub-personality. The murder was planned when Chapman was alone in hotel rooms and the two levels of personality were in touch and not distracted. After the other fans got tired of waiting for Lennon at the Dakota Chapman begged Goresh to stay but he left anyway. The conscious Chapman asked Goresh to bring back the photo of him and Lennon the next day where he would buy it for $50. Once Chapman was left alone he was no longer distracted and the two personalities from different levels of consciousness were put back in touch with each other. When Lennon arrived back at the Dakota he met a Mark David Chapman who was now “befriended” and distracted by a whole new darker friend Chapman was completely unaware of the source of. So those who question Chapman not shooting Lennon at 5pm, thinking they are disproving the hypnosis theory, probably don’t realize they are actually reinforcing it.
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alan said…
Once again, thanks to Exiles800 for contributing clear thinking to this discussion. There are plenty of ducks lined up pointing to MDC’s being an assassin programmed by elements of our Permanent Government (likely CIA) and nothing — repeat, *nothing* — pointing away. There is a new book out, _A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments, or When the CIA Experimented with LSD on People and Mind Altering Substances on Towns Without Their Knowledge_ by H.P. Albarelli, Jr. Other such books are already out there, notably John Marks’ _The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control_ and _Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond_ by Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain…but I plan to read it eventually and I’ll keep y’all posted. Of course, good as these documents may be, it’s no surprise that their existence does not move the mainstream…if they were really a threat, they wouldn’t be allowed online. But that’s how Amerikkka maintains its status quo — the major/mainstream/corporate media are not about to broadcast anything close to this (or to inconvenient evidence regarding 911). It is remarkable (not surprising, but worthy of remarking upon) that the film _RFK Must Die_ presents the evidence as it does and drops from sight without a ripple. The Newspaper of Record actually did review it, Jeannette Catsoulis dismissing it as “a conspiracy-addled trudge through the Ambassador Hotel’s most fateful event”. And of Shane O’Sullivan, who made the film, she sneers “he offers re-enactments of the shooting and the recollections of a colorful array of eyewitnesses. Like a dog unleashed in a field full of rabbits, he chases one shard of ‘evidence’ after another — a second gunman, a girl in a polka-dot dress — without bothering to arrange them in any coherent pattern.” What a surprise. Note the obligatory quotation marks around “evidence”. No mention of what that evidence is, and it *is* stunning, as anyone watching this film is going to see. But who’s gonna watch it after reading the mighty NYT review?
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Exiles800 said…
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Face it, most people don’t travel from Hawaii to New York to murder John Lennon in order to satisfy a need that will correct their life problems. When this happens with a person who is otherwise described as friendly and normal you have to start looking deeper. Mark David Chapman fit the profile of a lone nut and patsy perfectly. He attended all the right organizations and had all the right personality qualities. He fits the Manchurian Candidate profile so perfectly that it should have an audible resonating chime. His monomaniacal metempsychosis could be the product of a disturbed psyche playing itself out in LSD-influenced delusion, or it could be the product of subliminal programming parlayed through the ‘Catcher In The Rye’ where Chapman assumed magical embodiment of all those symbols and analogies in one grand fantasy. In my mind Chapman could have been a person who didn’t realize the special understanding he had of his purpose was one that had been inserted into him by entities unknown to him at a conscious level. Chapman felt a need to live up to a magical understanding only he understood the imperative of, as if he had been given a special mission graced by special insight – only he could have been completely unaware the driving force behind it was something that he had been led towards by sinister hypnotic suggestion. His conscious understanding of it would be knowing he had a special knowledge, something that drove him from within.

So we are back to an otherwise normal guy feeling a driving need to pick-up from Hawaii and travel to New York to kill Lennon to make his life right. That isn’t something even most crazy people do. What is the missing motivating factor here?
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I know the experts will focus around the psychological nucleus of the behavior they think is responsible, but offhand I would quickly reject any Asperger’s hypothesis. Firstly I would say the tight shot grouping delivered quickly and precisely by Chapman would automatically dismiss any Asperger’s simply because that kind of precision isn’t possible with textbook Asperger’s. Chapman was married and sought socialization with the YMCA group. His congeniality and quick befriending of the women fans that day should almost automatically exclude any suggestion of Asperger’s. I’m surprised any professional would even consider it at that point.

In my personal opinion the art obsession would be more attributable to Chapman being lined up to contact Lennon through his art interests as a means of accessing him. Again, another sign of covert manipulation typical of such agencies.
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The ‘prodromal period’ theory where Chapman was in the forming stages of psychosis and therefore not detectable is tricky because Chapman had psychiatrists on him both prior to the murder and directly afterwards. So if he was psychotic it was only for that instant and was then shaken-off by the shock of the act. Just by offhand judgment I’d have to say I don’t think that was the case. If you look at the Son Of Sam and Charley Manson both those persons showed similar acts of occult-like violence. Both were driven by movements. Berkowitz by a satanic cult and Manson by 60’s revolution tainted by LSD-induced insanity. What is important about those two other examples is they were accompanied by accomplices and plotters. Whether that’s a valid analogy or not I’m not sure however both cases showed certifiable mental traces of instability.

If I were to impose those examples on Chapman I would say an impressionable youth segregated himself from conventional society through drug experimentation and 60’s rock culture. When he attempted to ground himself for self-esteem purposes he chose a conventional institution that matched his 60’s aspirations – that was christian religion. The particular outlets for that religion, the YMCA and later World Vision Charities, just so happened to be recruiting fronts for CIA. Some might say laying in wait for lambs to slaughter. So we have a perfect path here to suggest CIA hypnosis black ops. We also have a perfect personality profile. What I think some don’t realize is if Chapman had marginal Asperger’s it would make him an even better and more vulnerable candidate for such a thing.

The only other alternative I would accept would be Mark David Chapman brainwashed *himself*. He wanted to be accepted and sought role models like the gun enthusiasts who trained him and suggested a security job. Perhaps the right-wing military types he associated with during his World Vision work were people he wanted to impress, so considering himself a failure in life he mixed all his aspirations, rock, christian, and now ‘security’, in a state of mental delusion. Having failed to commit suicide perhaps he rationalized that he would commit “suicide by Lennon” as some commit “suicide by cop”?

The LSD use is important because, if he mixed it with marijuana use, with the right type of person they can break-down the borders between reality and non-reality. Once Chapman broke-down this important barrier in his mind it would make it much easier to introduce ‘Catcher In The Rye’ metaphor as an active psychological dynamic. That could have been introduced by others or it could have been introduced by even Chapman himself. 

If Chapman had reached an undetectable level of drug and borderline psychosis dementia within his mind the Christian part of his background would be important because he could have possibly seen the magical interpretation he was receiving from Catcher as being a miraculous message sent only to him. So programmed or not Chapman’s pressure over his life failings would be answered by “God” sending him a special message and mission. If Lennon and the Beatles existed in a magical mystery tour of symbols and art Chapman could join them on that level through his Catcher fantasy which was very real to him and an equal message. If Chapman wasn’t programmed he was a perfect candidate anyway.

We now have to explain Hinckley’s having a copy of ‘Catcher In The Rye’ in his room if we are going to entertain non-programming theories. And, however crazy it sounds, I just realized “Mark Chapman” has the same initials as “Manchurian Candidate”. Coincidence? Perhaps, but I wouldn’t put it past them either. Laying cryptic claim to a covert kill is all part of psy-ops intimidation. As would having copies of ‘Catcher’ at both assassination attempts.
12:40 PM

alan said…
All good points by Exiles800, and I’d add that the probability that Chapman was intermittently psychotic and came to enact the assassination from purely internal compulsion is vanishingly small. Chapman was being seen by mental health clinicians in Hawaii, who were treating him for depression and not a thought disorder. Were he a hallucinating paranoid schizophrenic, we’d know it by now – he’s been locked up for almost 30 years, and individuals with paranoid schizophrenia do not – repeat, *do not* – revert to normal overnight and stay that way forever. Ask any clinician who works with schizophrenics. Read the literature. It just doesn’t happen. In any of Chapman’s appeals for probation, has any reference to schizophrenia, psychosis, hell *any mental illness at all* been made? Not that I’m aware of. And how many times has this been known to happen: a schizophrenic, a bona fide crazy person, travels halfway around the world to kill a celebrity for no apparent reason? Zero, that’s how many. But we have no less an authority than Herbert Spiegel telling us that hypnotically programming an assassin is not only possible but was clearly, certainly accomplished in the case of Sirhan Sirhan (see the film _RFK Must Die_). I’ll say it again. The evidence that MDC was programmed to kill John Lennon may be circumstantial, but it’s utterly convincing. There is no evidence anywhere pointing in any other direction. If anyone out thinks they have some, please share it with us.
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It just struck me that the limousine not showing up at 5pm might not be as innocent as it was portrayed. If you study the JFK Assassination and the unholy relationship CIA had with the mafia at the time you’ll understand CIA worked through the mob to hide its doings. Since New York transportation, including limousine services, was mob-tied in New York it creates a reasonable suspicion that Lennon’s limo not showing up at 5 might not have been a mistake. Perhaps the idea was to leave Lennon waiting out on the sidewalk with Chapman? Chapman was distracted and overwhelmed by Lennon, and his programming wasn’t strong enough, so he didn’t shoot Lennon at 5. Curiously, all articles mention that the limo usually took John and Yoko into the tunnel but didn’t that night. I think someone wrote that John wanted to walk in because he was in public mode with the new album etc. But how much do we really know about the reason? When the limousine didn’t go into the Dakota’s entrance tunnel Lennon then proceeded to walk right past the man who gunned him down.

The New York City police has also been known to be mob-infiltrated. What do we really know about the limousine situation that day and how it left Lennon exposed? Frankly this smacks of a typical CIA tactic.
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” I never wanted to hurt anybody my friends will tell you that. I have two parts in me the big part is very kind the children I worked with will tell you that. I have a small part in me that cannot understand the big world and what goes on in it. I did not want to kill anybody and I really don’t know why I did it. I fought against the small part for a long time. But for a few seconds the small part won. I asked Got to help me but we are responsible for our own actions. I have nothing against John Lennon or anything he has done in the way of music or personal beliefs. I came to New York about five weeks ago from Hawaii and the big part of me did not want to shoot John. I went back to Hawaii and tried to get rid of my small part but I couldn’t.


I then returned to New York on Friday December 5, 1980 I checked into the YMCA on 62nd Street I stayed one night. Then I went to the Sheraton Center on 7th Ave. Then this morning I went to the book store and bought The Catcher in the Rye. I’m sure the large part of me is Holden Caulfield who is the main person in the book. The small part of me must be the Devil. I went to the building called the Dakota.


I stayed there until [Lennon] came out and asked him to sign my album. At that point the big part won and I wanted to go back to my hotel, but I couldn’t. I waited until he came back. He came in a car. Yoko passed first and I said hello, I didn’t want to hurt her. Then John came, looked at me and passed me. I took the gun from my coat pocket and fired at him. I can’t believe I could do that. I just stood there clutching the book. I didn’t want to run away. I don’t know what happened to the gun, I just remember Jose [Perdomo, the doorman] kicking it away. Jose was crying and telling me to please leave. I felt so sorry for Jose. Then the police came and told me to put my hands on the wall and cuffed me. “



I think we all have a pretty good idea of what the “small part” in Chapman was…
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I don’t know where you got that ambulance driver stuff but there’s no way that happened. Lennon’s wounds were bad enough, as witnessed at the Dakota, that he didn’t need to be shot any further. Also, he was taken to the hospital in a New York City police car, with one of the cops being a big Beatles fan.
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Another thing people aren’t aware of is CIA creepy machiavellian electronic technology where they can project sub-voice communication into a victim’s head. Trust me those evil CIA creeps have such technology. So the “Do it, do it, do it…” heard by Chapman wasn’t necessarily a schizophrenic hearing of voices. Of course this might not have been the case here, and Chapman could have been dramatizing his emotions into words. However, it is incumbent to mention that it is well within CIA capability to project such voices towards Chapman. And if Chapman was programmed, and it pretty much looks like he was, then it would be more likely a team was on him and such voices were projected. 

I have absolutely no doubt CIA assassinated Lennon. Great free country with a Constitution and sacred Bill Of Rights and protection of free speech and protection of dissent from government abuse of power eh? 


Sometimes CIA will pose like innocent posters. For example when you are being tracked electronically they will show up right after you in a comments section – even though that comments section has been dead for months. CIA works by subtle intimidation. They want you to know you are being tracked. It doesn’t necessarily have to be CIA either. America has any number of fascist military government entities now. They want you to know they killed Lennon. It’s all part of their American Nazi fascist game. They gave themselves new American permanent military government rules under the Bush Administration. Most Americans are too dumb to notice. And an unfortunate number of Americans are all for it and participate in it enthusiastically. This is what Lennon fought against and why he was assassinated.
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I appreciate Exiles800’s ideas about the voice in Chapman’s head. I have no doubt that such voice-projection tools could be part of the CIA’s arsenal. But I don’t think you even need to accept that to reconcile everything Chapman has ever said (that’s appeared in print) with the hypnotic-programming hypothesis. A subject of such programming might well remark that s/he “heard a voice in my head saying ‘do it, do it'”. That’s the nature of hypnotic suggestion. If you read through Jack Jones’ book based on his interviews with Chapman _Let Me Take You Down_, you won’t find a single sentence that is inconsistent with the hypnotically programmed assassin hypothesis.
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The reason this is especially creepy is because the ghoulish Nazi CIA mind programmers who programmed Chapman most likely used this text as a means of sending a direct message on why they killed Lennon. Realize these people are justifying their cowardly Nazi murder of John Lennon by sending this cryptic message along with their deed. In fact, this kind of creepy flourish being added to the method tells you who exactly did it. It was arrogant, Nazi-types in CIA, who are arrogant and ghoulish enough to send a justification notice along with their action. Just like secret agency characters in James Bond, these people think they are diabolically clever by stylizing their murder this way. In other words, it was meant to be figured out. The message was sent in the medium they were operating within, that is, subliminal. 


That message was, simply, that John Lennon was a pied piper who was sending America’s youth running towards a cliff they couldn’t see in a field of high growing rye (marijuana). You have to understand the medium these Mengele Nazi CIA creeps were working in. When you take LSD things begin to obtain very illuminated paranoid meaning. The Gottlieb MK-ULTRA group was dabbling in this stuff and was no doubt also affected by it. I have no doubt they dipped-in to the magic potion themselves and were therefore of the mindset to send messages in this particular blood-dripping magical-thinking form. So what I’m telling you here is CIA creeps were working out on the fringes of human sanity under their Mengele-like MK-ULTRA programs and that they probably thought they could do fringe psychological warfare within this psychedelic landscape. I’m telling you, these creeps deliberately “stylized” this ‘Catcher’ symbolism in order to play with their victim’s minds. CIA had literally entered the acid trip and done murder within it. They thought they were being slick.


So, while I praise Mae Brussel for broaching the topic, she, unfortunately, approaches the subject like a parlor granny when you can see from Lennon’s murder that CIA was well along into some very bizarre and far-out stuff well beyond what Brussel could even imagine. CIA, and their Mengele mind-control monsters, had sent a death sentence and verdict along with their Manchurian Candidate. And what is even more creepy than this is they used the internal programming logic of the ‘Catcher’ to make Mark David Chapman believe he was the Catcher and was doing his duty as Catcher by shooting John Lennon. I’m sure the mind-control monsters who thought this up were congratulating themselves on the pure complexity of what they had done and the magical sense it made. Mark David Chapman simply said go to ‘Catcher In The Rye’ to understand what I have done. Thank you, Mark, I have. 



It was a “Double Fantasy” of sorts…
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alan said…
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Exiles800 said…
Alan: It’s scary how much sense this makes when you walk through it isn’t it? It scares me to think if they could make Chapman a robot who else are they capable of controlling? I hope people understand that the monsters who are doing this benefit by being able to do things that are so bizarre and so evil that those describing them sound crazy. They deliberately work that in to their strategy so fools like those who wrote “sounds like a load of crap” are prompted to react that way. 

Chapman’s advice that people simply go to ‘Catcher In The Rye’ to understand what he had done is a serious clue to mind-control. Why?: Because it shows that Chapman had a sub-conscious understanding of the book that he felt would be automatically understood by those who read it. 

Well, why didn’t MDC elaborate on what exactly in ‘Catcher’ served as explanation for what he had done? Answer: Because he couldn’t. What convinced MDC that ‘Catcher’ was a holy book and divine guidance was something that was programmed into him at a sub-conscious level through Nazi, Mengele-like CIA hypnosis. While he ‘felt’ it to be self-explanatorily evident on a magical level (the same feeling that led him to act on it) he couldn’t consciously explain it because it was something his conscious mind wasn’t in control of. So MDC simply points people in the direction of what he assumes will enlighten those people the same way it enlightened him. It is monstrously horrible to imagine that Mark David Chapman could be as much a victim as Lennon himself. And that when he goes in front of a parole board to grovel that he was unwell at one time but is now well he is a tragic victim himself. Or that Yoko might actually be aiding those monsters who killed John by denying Chapman any parole.

I have nothing but contempt for the American people because if America was what it says it is the people would take this up in outrage and practice what we describe ourselves as. In America, the sure sign of a real conspiracy theory is people suddenly drop interest in it and stay quiet when it comes time to take responsibility and do uncomfortable/difficult things. The reason is Americans are people who have been trained to satisfy themselves and some other servile authority or agency will take care of things like this for them. In this case however, like in 3rd world countries or Nazi regimes, those same authorities are the ones who did the deed. 

The reason they sent the cryptic message along with their executioner is because they believed they were acting as legal authorities. These people are so arrogant and so elitist that they felt they were serving some greater ‘legal’ cause and imposing ‘justice’ on a violator (John Lennon). After all, you can’t do something as monstrous as murder John Lennon without some serious self-imposed justification. If you examine the scene involved that justification would come from those who felt opposed by, or threatened by, Lennon. And, naturally, those people would be the legal war powers of the government and society. It’s all right there. These people WANTED people to figure out what happened and what the line they were drawing, and would enforce, was. And no one could trace their criminal trail back through the fantastic landscape of intel hypnosis.


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FOX News and CNN both offered official story accounts of Lennon’s assassination this week in observation of the 30th anniversary. They didn’t say anything about people suspecting CIA hypnosis. Nor did they mention the limousine not showing-up and dropping Lennon off at the curb as being signs he was set-up.

There’s a new book coming out alleging a right-wing CIA assassination. It’s written by a man named “Strongman”.
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Thanks again to Exiles800 for keeping us all in the loop. I’m aware of the book coming out, and in fact there has been much more attention being paid lately to the CIA-programmed-assassin theory…and it’s coming from all directions, e.g. the Jesse Ventura show, which got some attention. There was a new play debuted in Liverpool pointing to the CIA (“One Bad Thing” by Ian Carroll). And I don’t think this is just because we’re approaching the 30th anniversary. I can tell you that there was nothing like this much buzz around the time of the 25th. So, it appears that 20+ years after the publication of Fenton Bresler’s book, the truth of who took John Lennon from us is finally leaking into the public consciousness. 
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johns back. The guy said his dad was a WW2 vet marine, and his dad said he fired one deliberate wild round. He also said he handled the recoil like a well trained shooter. Like a soldier. His dad was Very disturbed and told his son that it was a professional hit. This coming from an eyewitness who is a lifelong republican. He felt John was eliminated by the same forces that killed the kennedys and MLK!
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If it cost A million dollars to run an op like that in 1980 , why wouldn’t the military industrial complex do it? That’s as much as a modest apartment with a view in Georgetown . Its peanuts. I can tell you on June 12 1982 when we all protested nuclear arms race in central park, over 1 million of us, the NYC parks commissioner noted that central park was cleaner than it had been in 20 years! I was there, we all bent down and picked up trash on the way out of the park that day. Our consciousness was raised up quite high in those days. I will tell you that on earth day in central park in 1990 , a half million dumbed down folks came and trashed the park. Next day park officials noted thy the park was dirtier than it had been in years. What happened to our psyches from 1980 to 1990 is the result of a clever and massive psyche warfare op carefully planned for generations and slipped in so smoothly that 911 could happen. Today a copy of the constitution and the bill of rights in your pocket will get you on a list. And neither one will do you any good in court. Let’s try waking up again …. OK?




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There wasn’t much
Glad to see so many are waking up and smelling the coffee
Here’s my experiences
1. the night of the hit I went to a friends house after playing some of my songs at folk city. My friend Lola was on the phone when she let me in. When she got off the phone i asked her if she knew what happened. She said of course. she said “that was Bob (Dylan) On the phone just now. He said “i’m next!” I said you mean it was a hit? She said absolutely. The big boys don’t want powerful charismatic leaders getting people into the streets for peace and disarmament!!! Lola was a former weather underground member
2. Later That summer 1981 i was in
Malibu when a friend told me an interesting story. He said he was at RAND Corp where he worked, and at the commissary that day a man told him
He saw M David Chapman in Honolulu at a Psych ward run
By the NSA. Apparently this guy, a psychiatrist worked in a different wing of this Hawaii mental hospital. he told my friend he saw MDC there as an in patient ostensibly undergoing “de-programing”‘after being a
Moonie. (In those days, Former Korean war general and CIA asset , Sung Yung Moon was fronting the Unification church and rounding up hundreds of thousands of runaways and disaffected kids, depriving them of sleep for days, and showing endless movies to turn them into moonies. It was like a farm team looking for talent for the MK ULTRA major leagues. It’s a documented fact that manchurian candidates originated in Korea in the 1950’s) so by the 70’s there were a multitude of programmable assassins all over the place working for the skull and bones boys who work for the super rich.
3 in 1990 I met a doorman at the century, that’s an enormous apartment building right across the street from the Dakota. He told me his dad worked at the Dakota for 30 years. Was on duty the night it happened and watched as Chapman got into a horse stance, gripped the pistol with both hands and emptied 4 shots in a tight grouping into
johns back. The guy said his dad was a WW2 vet marine, and his dad said he fired one deliberate wild round. He also said he handled the recoil like a well trained shooter. Like a soldier. His dad was Very disturbed and told his son that it was a professional hit. This coming from an eyewitness who is a lifelong republican. He felt John was eliminated by the same forces that killed the kennedys and MLK!
I leave you all with this thought
If it cost A million dollars to run an op like that in 1980 , why wouldn’t the military industrial complex do it? That’s as much as a modest apartment with a view in Georgetown . Its peanuts. I can tell you on June 12 1982 when we all protested nuclear arms race in central park, over 1 million of us, the NYC parks commissioner noted that central park was cleaner than it had been in 20 years! I was there, we all bent down and picked up trash on the way out of the park that day. Our consciousness was raised up quite high in those days. I will tell you that on earth day in central park in 1990 , a half million dumbed down folks came and trashed the park. Next day park officials noted thy the park was dirtier than it had been in years. What happened to our psyches from 1980 to 1990 is the result of a clever and massive psyche warfare op carefully planned for generations and slipped in so smoothly that 911 could happen. Today a copy of the constitution and the bill of rights in your pocket will get you on a list. And neither one will do you any good in court. Let’s try waking up again …. OK?




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